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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: BLACK AMERICAN BULLDOGS' FACTS Reply with quote

Black American Bulldogs have been in the breed since its beginning.
This subject was debated at length months ago, until historical facts sedated all unsubstantiated "opinions".
Here is another opportunity to get it right; I guess we have to do it now and then.
It has nothing to do with likes and dislikes, or personal agendas. It is just documented, historical data:

JOHN D. JOHNSON AND ALAN SCOTT ARE UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED AS THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF THE "AMERICAN BULLDOG".
THEY HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT AN AB SHOULD LOOK LIKE BUT THEY ALSO SHARED A COMMON VISION IN REGARD TO MANY POINTS. THEIR COOPERATION LED TO THE DEFINITION OF THE ORIGINAL AMERICAN BULLDOG STANDARD, AN OUTLINE THAT DIDN'T DISMISS BLACK AB:

The Original American Bulldog Standard

(Established by John D. Johnson and Alan Scott on July 7 1970 BBC an accepted in 1995)

General Appearance: Tall, stands erect with head held high, with back straight neither swayed nor ridged. The tail should be held down approximately to the hocks, chest wide moderate and deep.
Head: Broad, flat on top, squared appearance with muzzle short to medium in length, with a prominent dish between eyes. Lower jaw should protrude slightly more than the upper jaw, with wide apart eyes. Ears medium in size with a roll backwards or a flop.
Temperament: Very friendly in daytime, but very aggressive at night, especially with the person not known. This dog should be eager, bold, and trusting with no signs of fear or timidity. Aggressive enough to fight a mean bear, or wild hog, but gentle enough for a house pet.
COLOR: White, to all brindle colors, with white to solid brindle, SOLID BLACK, or BLACK MIXED WITH BRINDLE OR WHITE.
Size: Males from 22 inches to 32 inches and weighing from 70 LBS to over 100 pounds.
Females: from 18 inches to 28 inches and weighing from 50 to over 80 pounds.
Body structure should be big and rugged showing strength and endurance.
Showing Rules: Follow the above standards: Dogs must be untrimmed and unaltered. Tails are held down in a normal stance. Exception---Dogs may be showed if altered by a vet and a handler has a statement from the vet.
It is hoped that the standards will help both the breeder and the show judge in the selection of the dogs that will better the breed and make dogs more enjoyable to their owners.
The American Bulldog was developed in early years for the purpose of catching and holding wild pigs and cattle. It was also used as a fighting dog that had no equal. The American Bulldog is still used in many places to work with pigs and cattle, but human laws and common sense has stopped most of the fighting of dogs. Today the American Bulldog is used for a family pet and a fearless guard dog. Old people and ladies living alone have made the American Bulldog the preferred family guard dog. It is said that anyone can sleep soundly with the knowledge that the family American Bulldog is on sentry duty all night.
From the beginning in southern farm communities the love of the American Bulldog has spread nation wide and to many other countries.
BBC Standard approved by Melvin Hopper 1995
Update! Docked tails allowed.
Small dogs not to be considered for conformation.
Eyes any color.
Aggressive dogs not to be considered.


http://bbcdogregistry.com/index_files/Page1147.htm

ONE OF THE THINGS MR. JOHNSON AND MR. SCOTT HAD IN COMMON WAS THE VISION OF CREATING A LINE OF BLACK AB.
THEY PURSUED THEIR COMMON GOAL BY USING DIFFERENT OUTCROSSES, BUT THEY BOTH SUCCEEDED AT OBTAINING BLACK SPECIMENS THAT FIT THE ORIGINAL STANDARD FOR BOTH THEIR PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS:

John D. Johnson and Elrod Supreme (Crimson Elrod x Johnson's Sugar Maria 3)



Alan Scott with Black Jack (from Dixie Man. ..son of Dick the Bruiser)



AS AN ADDITIONAL NOTE OF INTEREST, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT BLACK BULLDOGS EXISTED IN THE ANCESTOR OF THE AB, THE "VICTORIAN BULLDOG":

Black English Bulldog from 1908



MODERN DAYS:

The question is legitimate.
Why a color so dominant as black became rare to the point of having us raise our eyebrows when we see a black AB?
The answer is VERY simple, even though it implies a basic knowledge of the law of genetics.


- A dominant color manifests in the offspring unless overridden by the presence of the same recessive color on both side (sire and dam).
In other words, a predominance of white dogs will be born from the breeding of two black dogs that have white as recessive.

- White has always been the most represented color in both the Victorian and the American Bulldog (their alternative name used to be English Whites), therefore, when mating a colored bulldog with a white one, the majority of the offspring, even the colored ones, had white recessive and, when breed to another specimen with white recessive (the vast majority), the offspring would have been AGAIN mostly white.

- Black AB became so rare that the new standards stirred away from them, creating a false stigma of non purity, a frivolous choice being that the Founding Fathers wanted the AB to be a WORKING BREED and gave no importance to color.

- Genetics is not a precise science, as the genetic whirlpool can, at times, manifest an archaic trait, often after numerous generations.
The specimens that present those old traits are called throw backs.
West Champs High Hopes was one of them, an English Bulldog with size and structure resembling the Victorian Bulldog. The Sugar Doll line stemmed from him.

- Throw backs, BLACK AB have been handled in very interesting ways.
The standard people, usually more work oriented, did not shy away from them, but the dogs had to have the drive and the physical attributes to make them overlook the color. It is a paradox but BLACKS had to be better not to be discarded.
The show people, even when dealing with outstanding representatives of the breed, have decided not to breed them at all or to breed in the attempt of breaking the color. AND WE WONDER WHY THE BLACK AB BECAME ALMOST EXTINCT.
My guess is that most people decided to go the easy route and avoid having to educate the cookie cutters, those that haven't been in the breed long enough, or didn't care to learn the real story or, which is worst, know it all but decided to attack the BLACK AB because of their personal little wars. THAT UNTIL NOW!!!!

I see many bulldoggers that, thanks to a few, are getting less shy about their BLACK AB. Again, the BLACKS have always been and will always be in the breed. Nature does not ask permission and, even if everybody will shy away again, there will always be a throw back (not an hybrid) that will manifest, even 100 years from now, and if somebody will have the courage to breed selectively to lock the color and emphasize the working aspect (Remember? In most organizations they are no good for the show ring: WHAT A BLESSING!!!!) the BLACK AB will be saved from oblivion and, in spite of any witch hunt, they will contribute to this breed so great also because so diverse (not a dog for communists !!!!!)
My program is geared towards producing BLACK BULLY AB that can WORK (in training with Al Banuelos) and I can honestly say that I am having a load of fun:

http://www.fullfocuscorp.com/bg_1st_bd_-_january_2009.htm

http://www.fullfocuscorp.com/miscellaneous2.htm

http://www.fullfocuscorp.com/fb_1st_bd_-_april_2009.htm

FUN!!!! Do we remember???? It was fun to bring home our first four legged friend, it was fun meeting new people and share and learn, until something went terribly wrong.
Differences are blessings, otherwise the world would be a boring place.
The dogs will bring us closer again if we can "agree to disagree" and commit to communicate in a more constructive, respectful way.

Sorry if I put you to sleep! I guess I wanted to open my heart.

Happy Bulldoggin!

Francesco

Red Stick's 8 Ball Tuxedo Black



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black or not those are some Bad A$$ dogs on your yard!!!!!

Congrats and keep us posted!!!!

I am a fan!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:54 am    Post subject: Very Interesting Information Reply with quote

Thank you Francesco,
I have seen your dogs and I am excited to see the outcome of your next endeavors. Keep sharing you knowledge with us. You are doing great things !!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: BLACK AMERICAN BULLDOGS' FACTS Reply with quote

Good writeup Franco.
English isn't my 1st language... Im not shure what you mean with this statement.
Franco wrote:
My program is geared towards producing BLACK BULLY AB that can WORK (in training with Al Banuelos) and I can honestly say that I am having a load of fun:

Are you going for BLACK dogs only, or are you just willing to include them in your program, and give them a equal oppourtunety?

BTW; What kind of work do you do with your dogs?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: THANKS JAMES .. Reply with quote

jamesporch wrote:
Black or not those are some Bad A$$ dogs on your yard!!!!!

Congrats and keep us posted!!!!

I am a fan!!!!!!


... you positive comment is greatly appreciated!

Happy bulldoggin,

Francesco
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: THANKS BABE .. Reply with quote

Babe wrote:
Thank you Francesco,
I have seen your dogs and I am excited to see the outcome of your next endeavors. Keep sharing you knowledge with us. You are doing great things !!!


.. it was a pleasure to have you over.

Happy bulldoggin,

Francesco
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know I like your dogs. The color does not bother me. I like the AB's for there working ability.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:21 am    Post subject: HELLO Knut ... Reply with quote

dozer911 wrote:
Good writeup Franco.
English isn't my 1st language... Im not shure what you mean with this statement.
Franco wrote:
My program is geared towards producing BLACK BULLY AB that can WORK (in training with Al Banuelos) and I can honestly say that I am having a load of fun:

Are you going for BLACK dogs only, or are you just willing to include them in your program, and give them a equal oppourtunety?

BTW; What kind of work do you do with your dogs?


... English is not my first language either, but it looks like we are both doing okay.

Thank you for your question; it gives me an opportunity to articulate on a point that I do care to clarify.

I confirm that my program is geared towards producing BLACK BULLY AB, but I will not discriminate any dog of superior quality, just as I will not try to brake/dilute the color.

I personally thing that an AB with a black and white tuxedo coat is a beautiful site, especially when paired with bully type, sound conformation, good movement, and DRIVE (it is a working breed)!!!!

Wanting to emphasize the working aspect I researched extensively to choose what kind of activity I wanted to have my AB involved with, until I came across a video footage of an Alapaha female doing some FASCINATING bite work. I knew then that my search was over.

Take a look at the following clip; I named it the PINTA DRILL:



The PINTA DRILL is the prototype I selected to work on the definition of the G.U.T. ("Guardians' Utility Title").
The drill is presented by PINTA, an Alapaha female, and is the seed of a new working title designed for bulldogs but open to any guardian breed that has the necessary athleticism, tenacity and balance.
The PINTA DRILL shares many basic skills with pre-Victorian "Bullbaiting" (SPRINT-JUMP-BITE-HOLD-HANG-LAND-REPEAT- FOCUS-REMAIN STABLE), therefore its "similarity" to it (not claiming or wanting to be a recreation).
I like to think that the PINTA DRILL and the G.U.T. I-II-III (its finished and diversified product) can be seen as an evolution and a modern application of the skills possessed by a bullbaiter (the true traits of a bulldog), proposed in a contest very recurrent in most suburban areas: a FENCE, a BACK YARD, a BULLDOG, an INNOCENT (either a kid of the owner, an house pet etc....) and a BAD GUY (the potential intruder).
I am in the process of defining the 3 levels of the G.U.T. and I hired one of the world's top trainers to prepare and title my dogs.
Mention of the achieved G.U.T. titles will be added to the pedigrees of most registries and will be considered a prestigious achievement, especially among bulldoggers.
The G.U.T. is the workability criteria at MIURA BULLS' KENNELS (former LINEBACKERS), in the selection of both my line of BLACK BULLY AMERICAN BULLDOGS and my own hybrid line of MIURA BULLDOGS.

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Al Banuelos and I go back a long way, to almost 15 years ago, when I used to write for the Italian magazine CANIDAPRESA. I interviewed Al right after he titled PREDATOR, when he was working at creating the first line of Schutzhund titled AB in world. His work made history and I had to call him to evaluate my dogs and take on the challenge presented by the PINTA DRILL/G.U.T. test.
Al is renown to turn down dogs that, to quote him, "don't have what it takes", but he accepted my BLACKS and together we are in the process of writing another page in the history of this great breed.

For more information, feel free to email me at farnone@ca.rr.com

Happy bulldoggin!!

Francesco Arnone
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: THANKS SHAWN .. Reply with quote

bullpullkennels wrote:
You know I like your dogs. The color does not bother me. I like the AB's for there working ability.


... always nice to hear from you!

HB,

Francesco
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

great friend , you know what is my thoughts, I appreciate the great work you are doing, your dogs as well as beautiful are unique. Beasty, FAUNA, BLACK PEARL, 8 BALL, BENGAL, great quality Wink
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i really don't know or care where all black american bulldogs came from , but they sure seem to be getting more common, got to wonder why ????? ..... i do know however that most of the examples given here are down off a floyd boudreaux pitbull named zydeco and a don mayfield pitbull named brasken (gaston himself told me brasken was behind his dogs)......them guys actually crossed to pits they were proud to admit to , not the neighbors staffordshire ...... lots of other pitbull folks in these pedigrees also ,....... not sure what the guys point was that posted these pedigrees ?????? but from what i can see the dogs in these pedigrees are pitbull crosses .


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here are modern Black ABs check their pedigrees out you find the all come from different end of the gene pool


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/703799.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/714138.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/579784.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/628726.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/852369.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/638225.html


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/802878.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/804710.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/635689.html


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/576797.html
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Hello me ... :) Reply with quote

me wrote:
i really don't know or care where all black american bulldogs came from , but they sure seem to be getting more common, got to wonder why ????? ..... i do know however that most of the examples given here are down off a floyd boudreaux pitbull named zydeco and a don mayfield pitbull named brasken (gaston himself told me brasken was behind his dogs)......them guys actually crossed to pits they were proud to admit to , not the neighbors staffordshire ...... lots of other pitbull folks in these pedigrees also ,....... not sure what the guys point was that posted these pedigrees ?????? but from what i can see the dogs in these pedigrees are pitbull crosses .


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here are modern Black ABs check their pedigrees out you find the all come from different end of the gene pool


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/703799.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/714138.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/579784.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/628726.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/852369.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/638225.html


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/802878.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/804710.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/635689.html


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/576797.html


... I know you don't know and don't care, but you cared enouigh to post, so you deserve an answer.

Black AB come from the outcross wanted by both Founding Fathers of the breed: John D. Johnson and Alan Scott. The breeds mentioned are Black Labradors , American Pit Bull Terrier and Neapolitan Mastiff. I do not know the specifics either but do not care as well. It was many decades ago, prior to the outcross with West Champs High Hopes, and deeply imbedded in the American Bulldog's gene pool. If you read my post with more attention, it will be no mistery to you why black became so rare, as well as why there is a return of it.
If you don't breed selectively to lock the color, black will always be very rare, due to so many white specimen and carrier of the white coat gene.
People usually need a lead, but ultimately tend to go for what they like, and AMERICAN BULLDOGS with a black and white tuxedo on them are very easy to like.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: THANKS GIUSEPPE .. Reply with quote

cosa nostra wrote:
great friend , you know what is my thoughts, I appreciate the great work you are doing, your dogs as well as beautiful are unique. Beasty, FAUNA, BLACK PEARL, 8 BALL, BENGAL, great quality Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: black Reply with quote

franco i know you are doing your thing i also think that seeing your dogs have so much black they look so different at a young age alot of people see a pit type of cross being used because the look is not what they are use to at all.your dogs look nice and tight.on the breed standard you posted from 1970 do you know of any other breed that has a 10 inch scale on the height on both sexes.is that a way of saying even almost 40 yrs ago there is no real consistent type because of all the different bully breeds being crossed into the am bulldog.i wish you success with your vision.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francesco you have a good eye and a long term vision that I admire and agree with somewhat...I also had a vision and long term goal that some agree and some disagree with..No biggie ...I always do my own thing just ask my wife...anyhow heres Kennedys Black Sabbath .A Zeus son ..I just bred him to a couple bitches in my yard...Blacks here to stay like it or not...Ive been breeding black bulldogs for 19 years ....Very informative post my friend.... ....Thanks Doug
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